Said the carnist who probably
- doesn’t give a shit about the lives of slaughterhouse workers: how they are usually on shitty contracts, are usually poor and people of color (PoC), how they don’t have basic working rights, and how often times they are undocumented.
- doesn’t give a shit about how big, rich, Western, white countries go into other countries: usually (again) poor, underprivileged, native areas that are (again) usually inhabited by PoC. This takes land away from the people in that region or country and gives it to a) the livestock and/or b) the crops raised for that livestock.
- doesn’t give a shit about the fact that animal product consumption is causing deforestation: there are undiscovered plants and other things in these areas that could help with medicine, not to mention that rain forests and other land contributes to 20% or so of the Earth’s oxygen. This effects not only non-human animals, but human animals as well.
- doesn’t give a shit about the people back in their homes: in rich, white countries like the United States who live next to these factory farms. How their water quality is shit, the air quality is shit, the soil turns to shit and how they have higher rates of ailments that don’t effect people who don’t live near factory farms. This also leads to the areas being more poverty stricken.
- doesn’t realize that they too (unless they fancy themselves to only live on meat, dairy, milk, honey and other animal products) eat the same exact fruits, vegetables and other plant-based foods that those same farm workers pick for a plant-based diet.
Sprouted grain toast with mashed avocado, salt, and pepper. Scrambled tofu with mushrooms and green pepper (extra-firm tofu, mushrooms, green pepper, garlic, onion, nutritional yeast, turmeric, cumin, and coconut oil) and halved strawberries.
It’s crazy that so many people don’t make this connection. All animals should be respected, not just cats and dogs.
Humans are animals with incisor teeth, we are designed to eat meat, and have done so for thousands of years. Don’t make meat eaters feel less human for eating food their mouth and digestive system is designed for. If you decide to go vegan or vegetarian, don’t shove it down people’s throats please, and thank you. But at the same time, the meat industry does need to step up their game a bit and not torture animals on their farms.
Taylor, you have no clue what you’re talking about. You are the hundred thousandth person to try and say that our incisor’s are for consuming meat or that we’ve “always done it.” So, here’s why that’s bullshit:
- Humans Are Biologically Herbivores (An Informative Chart)
- Our ancestors may have eaten meat, but more often than not, they were scavengers. (Binford, Louis. R. (1986) Human ancestors: Changing views of their behavior. Journal of Anthropological Archaeology 3:235-257.)
- In Paleolithic (ie. hunter-gatherer times), the archaeological consensus is that most of us would have eaten large, hunted game very seldom, and had a subsistence diet of vegetable materials for the remainder of the time. Hunting is energy-intensive, risky, and not a dependable source of energy.
- Research presented in a 2011 issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Science shows that even Neanderthals ate a variety of plant foods; starch grains have been found on the teeth of their skeletons everywhere from the warm eastern Mediterranean to chilly northwestern Europe. It appears they even cooked, and otherwise prepared, plant foods to make them more digestible—44,000 years ago.
- Humans are facultative omnivores, meaning we CAN eat meat, but do better without it. Adapting to eating meat got us through the last ice age and the habit stuck. We are now in a place and time where we can forego this vestigial, harmful practice.
- Saying we’re omnivores because we’re capable of eating meat is just silly. We’re capable of eating cardboard, too. And by the “capable” argument, then cats are omnivores too, since nearly every commercial cat food has plant ingredients.
- Our so-called “canine teeth” are “canine” in name only.
- Among animals, plant-eaters have the longest lifespans, and humans are certainly in that category (and yes, this was true even before modern medicine).
- We sleep about the same amount of time as other herbivores, and less than carnivores and true omnivores.
- The most common cause of choking deaths is eating meat. Real carnivores and omnivores don’t have that problem.
- READ THIS ENTIRE THING.
Now just because we can doesn’t mean we should. We don’t need meat to live, so why would we even continue using it? Aside from the animal abuse, there is a plethora over other reasons why (most listed below, just in case the links don’t work).
First off, animal products are not only killing animals, but its people.
- 40% of global marine catch is by-catch (basically we are throwing back enormous amounts of unusable species into the sea, dead and wasted)
- An estimated 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in fishing nets every year.
- Overgrazing is blamed for 35% of soil degradation, deforestation for 30%, and agriculture for 27%. These main causes are directly or indirectly related to the consumption of animal products.
- Studies indicate that a varied vegan diet requires about a third of the land needed for conventional Western diets. We do not have enough land to feed everyone on an animal-based diet.
- The livestock sector is a major player, responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions measured in CO2 equivalent. This is a higher share than transport.
- Animal product consumption is causing deforestation: there are undiscovered plants and other things in these areas that could help with medicine, not to mention that rain forests and other land contributes to 20% or so of the Earth’s oxygen.
- 60% of deforestation is related to animal agriculture
- For every 4 lbs of retail fish caught, 1 lb of other fish dies.
- It has been predicted that all the world’s fisheries will collapse in 2048 unless something is done to stop it.
- It is estimated that over-fishing threatens the food security of about 200 million people.
- The Lives of Slaughterhouse Workers: they are usually on shitty contracts, are usually poor and people of color (PoC), how they don’t have basic working rights, and how often times they are undocumented, so they can’t go for help.
- Big, rich, Western, white countries go into other countries: usually (again) poor, underprivileged, native areas that are (again) usually inhabited by PoC. This takes land away from the people in that region or country and gives it to a) the livestock and/or b) the crops raised for that livestock.
- Even in the west, people who live near slaughter farms have shitty water, shitty soil, shitty air, and they get really really sick.
- They’re also more likely to be poverty stricken.
- Animal Agriculture Sickens Everyone
- Nestle Milk Chocolate Products Brought To You By Child Slavery
- Antibiotic use in meat production has been linked to the rise in ‘super bugs’, which are antibiotic-resistant bacteria, found in a lot of meats available in supermarkets. These maladies can kill people.
- In 2004/5 there were 2270 injury claims made in the meat processing industry, most of which were due to falls, injuries with knives and ‘body stressing’.
- People working in tanneries to make leather from the skin of animals that have been killed are exposed to numerous dangerous chemicals (chromium being the worst). The chemicals can cause cancer, skin diseases, respiratory illnesses while the machinery is also dangerous and can result in amputations. In India, people have died due to the exposure to these chemicals, due to unsafe working conditions. People have also died in Bangladesh and are affected by the chemicals in a multitude of ways. These chemicals can also leach into the water supply and affect the air and soil quality, which in turn causes illnesses and diseases in nearby populations.
- "Vegan is the future, out of necessity," and the UN agrees.
Need more reasons that veganism is important?
Meat eating is destroying the environment, a huge waste of food and the LARGEST contributor to global warming (which I know you don’t believe in, but thats another rant)
- Here is a prison that went vegetarian solely because of it being cheaper.
- Here is a prison in California where half the inmates were served vegan food. That half had remarkably lower incidences of violence and much better fellowship (which goes to show you that there is more to this issue than just dollars and cents).
- You Could Feed Hundreds of People with What It Takes To Raise 200 Kilos of Boneless Beef
- An acre of land can produce 40,000 pounds of potatoes, 50,000 pounds of tomatoes, but only 250 pounds of beef.
- Environmental Impact of a Vegan vs. Conventional Diets (PDF file)
- Meat subsidies strip other food industries to the bone
- 4 million people on this planet live on an almost exclusively vegan diet due to poverty.
- If Britain went vegetarian, less than half the farm land would be needed; vegan, less than a quarter.
- The less people eating meat, the cheaper produce gets for everyone.
- Junk Food Costs More Than Healthy Foods
- We currently produce enough food to feed the world, but feed it to animals we later kill instead.
- Studies confirm increasing population must abandon meat by 2050.
Now… in ht event you need any more reason to go vegan…
Meat, Dairy, Etc. Is Bad For You
- Pink Slime, which makes up 25% or more of your beef
- How It’s Made: Hot Dogs
- Low or no meat consumption also decreases your risk of mortality from degenerative disease, and increases your life expectancy.
- Most of us in the West live in excess of what we need, to the detriment of our own health.
- 90% of Meat Samples Contain Fecal Bacteria
- Meat and Cheese Consumption Linked to Earlier Death
- Risks: More Red Meat, More Mortality (another source)
- 5 good reasons cutting meat can improve your life
- Hormone Growth Promoters Fed to Beef Cattle Linked to Adverse Impacts on Male Sexual Development
- Eggs are not healthy, nutritious, or safe, according to USDA.
Consuming Animal Products is Cruel
- There’s No Such Thing As Humane Animal Farming
- Inside A Slaughterhouse (content warning for animal cruelty and animal death)
- Over 30 MILLION male chicks are mutilated and ground up alive each year in ONE FACILITY ALONE — only because they can’t lay eggs.
- The Truth Behind The Dairy Industry (content warning for extreme animal cruelty and death)
- Free Range Myth (basically, they have maybe 30 feet to roam around in instead of five)
- Why Honey Isn’t Vegan (another source)
- New horrific images in a decisive year for the fur industry
Now… if you’re willing to dispute, with reputable sources, even a few of these links I have given you, I gladly will. This is something I will “shove down your throat.” The world is in peril, people are starving and animals are dying needlessly so that you can have one tasty meal. In the event you’re just scanning over all of these, overgrazing is blamed for 35% of soil degradation, deforestation for 30%, and agriculture for 27%. These main causes are directly or indirectly related to the consumption of animal products, we currently produce enough food to feed the world, but feed it to animals we later kill instead, and overgrazing is blamed for 35% of soil degradation, deforestation for 30%, and agriculture for 27%. These main causes are directly or indirectly related to the consumption of animal products.
If you’re willing to still use animal products after reading all of this, then please by all means come up with something that will prevent the destruction of this habitat.
Before you try to say lab grown meat, it won’t work either. Taken from here.
It still contains animal products.
Although the number of animals affected would be greatly reduced, laboratory-grown meat would still require the use of animals. When scientists created the first laboratory-grown meat, they started with muscle cells from a live pig. However, cell cultures and tissue cultures typically do not live and reproduce forever. To mass-produce laboratory-grown meat on an ongoing basis, scientists would need a constant supply of live pigs, cows, chickens and other animals from which to take cells.
According to The Telegraph, “Prof Post said the most efficient way of taking the process forward would still involve slaughter. He said: ‘Eventually my vision is that you have a limited herd of donor animals in the world that you keep in stock and that you get your cells from there.’”
Furthermore, these early experiments involved growing the cells “in a broth of other animal products,” which means that animals were used and perhaps killed in order to create the broth. This broth is either the food for the tissue culture, the matrix upon which the cells were grown, or both. Although the types of animal products used were not specified, the product could not be called vegan if the tissue culture was grown in animal products.
Later, The Telegraph reported that pig stem cells were grown “using a serum taken from a horse foetus,” although it is unclear whether this serum is the same as the broth of animal products used in the earlier experiments.
Scientists are hopeful that laboratory-grown meat will reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but growing animal cells in a laboratory would still be a waste of resources, even if the cells were grown in a vegan medium. Traditional animal agriculture is wasteful because feeding grain to animals so that we can eat the animals is an inefficient use of resources. It takes 10 to 16 pounds of grain to produce one pound of feedlot beef. Similarly, feeding plant foods to a muscle tissue culture would be wasteful compared to feeding plant foods to people directly.
Energy would also be required to “exercise” the muscle tissue, to create a texture similar to meat.
Growing meat in a laboratory may be more efficient than feedlot beef because only the desired tissues would be fed and produced, but it cannot be more efficient than feeding plant foods directly to people.However, Pamela Martin, an associate professor in geophysical sciences at the University of Chicago, co-authored a paper on the increased greenhouse gas emissions of a meat-based diet over a plant-based diet, and questions whether laboratory-grown meat would be more efficient than traditional meat. Martin stated, “It sounds like an energy-intensive process to me.”
As reported in the New York Times, Post replied to a question about whether vegetarians would like lab-grown meat, “Vegetarians should remain vegetarian. That’s even better for the environment.”
Animal Use and Suffering
Assuming that immortal cell lines from cows, pigs and chickens could be developed and no new animals would have to be killed to produce certain types of meat, the use of animals to develop new types of meat would still continue. Even today, with thousands of years of traditional animal agriculture behind us, scientists still try to breed new varieties of animals who grow larger and faster, whose flesh has certain health benefits, or who have certain disease resistance. In the future, if laboratory-grown meat becomes a commercially viable product,scientists will continue to breed new varieties of animals. They will continue to experiment with cells from different types and species of animals, and those animals will be bred, kept, confined, used and killed in the never-ending search for a better product.
Also, because current research into laboratory-grown meat is using animals, it cannot be called cruelty-free, andpurchasing the product would support animal suffering.
While laboratory-grown meat would probably reduce animal suffering, it’s important to keep in mind that it is not vegan, it is not cruelty-free, it’s still wasteful, and animals will suffer for laboratory-grown meat.
Last, but not least, we are not shoving our views down your throat. We inform you of the evil you’re contributing to, but instead of doing something about it, a vast majority of people complain. I cannot go a day without seeing meat on the TV, driving, at a restaurant, at school, at home or even at the store. I cannot go a day without some ass hole making me the butt ends of jokes. If anything, all of you shove your views down out throats.
tl;dr: You should read everything I just gave you, even if you don’t click on the links, watch these videos below and then reconsider what you’re doing. Also, if you’re pissed at me for this, then oh well. This is one of a few subjects I am well versed on and will not budge about.
Vegucated (on Netflix)
Food Inc (Not that great because it still supports “humane slaughter” but it shows the reality in factory farms) (Also on Netflix)
Food Matters (focuses on the health related benefits of veganism) (On Netflix)
Forks Over Knives (also focuses on health aspects of veganism)
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7 ingredients of OMG deliciousness…. It’s Vegan, its gluten free. ITS FUCKING TASTY!
India’s Drug Controller General and head of the Central Drug Standard Control Organization (CDSCO), Dr. G.N. Singh, recently stated that he is seriously considering “modernizing India’s pharmaceutical safety assessment by replacing old-fashioned animal testing with modern non-animal alternatives,” as Humane Society International reports.
Medical and drug testing can be done exceedingly well without the exploitation of animals. India may be the first to make such a tremendous step towards the future of society’s medical ethics.
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